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Work interview at Sainbury’s Dartmouth Devon

February 18, 2013

Well today I’m not writing about me, some of you that have been following me with my not so frequent posts will know that Both myself and my partner are both looking to go self employed while looking for work to help support it, and that in that time we are also having a hellish time with those things put in place to help “Support” job seekers. Well today I’m not even complaining about DWP, Home office or even job centre or the work program contractors. I know that’s a shock in its self, but wait until you read what’s happened, please make sure you are not eating or drinking anything you could choke on or spit at your monitors/electrical stuff when you read my partners story of his job interview today (18/feb/2013) at Sainbury’s Dartmouth Devon UK. I kid you not when I tell you this, even H.M.R.C. and Totnes job centre thought David was having a laugh when he told them, they were puzzled, perplexed and even couldn’t help but crack a small laugh of disbelief themselves. But what I am about to tell you is So rediculess that you’d understand why they reacted like that. Our adviser at Totnes JCP and the lady David Spoke to at HMRC were both very helpful, or at least as much as they could be in this stupid situation, so thanks guys if your reading this.
So here’s the story From the VERY beginning.
Stage 1: My partner David Roach Applied on-line for General assistant job in Sainbury’s at one of their stores in Dartmouth Devon in the UK. He must have made 8 or 9 attempts to get it to register his application as it kept signing him out. eventually he got to a after around 2 hours of fighting the website he comes to a question asking, “Are you a Citizen of the EU”. If you say no it locks for a few moments then tells you that you can no longer apply for this work as you are not eligible to apply for the job. Well being as he’s in legal terms a British citizen (even though we call ourselves British nationals because we don’t live on a navy boat). So he could only answer yes. It then went on a whole host of questions asking if he could work in the UK. Well he was born in the UK, his family are in generations upon generations of being in the UK (we’re talking pre-dating record keeping level of generations). So yes David is eligible to live and work in the UK because he is born and bred of the UK. So he finishes the online form for the goodness knows how many times of trying to get it to go though, and it registers it finally goes though.
and he gets 2 e-mails telling him he had successfully applied.

Stage 2: David gets a text the following morning on my mobile telling him he’s been successful and that he has to ring a number to arrange an interview. Which he promptly dose. They have a chat with him, tell him what to expect at the interview and give him a day and time. Dartmouth Salisbury’s to see a person called Jan wilding at 10am and to come casual smart (no jeans).

Stage 3: David attends the interview at Dartmouth, he’s apron 20mins early (they wanted him there 10 mins before) and kept him waiting for 30. He takes with him all the things he needs tas Proof of Eligibility to Work in the UK as a UK citizen. Apparently that’s not good enough, they tell him his referances were not good enough. (they never contacted them we checked). (Now here comes the clincher, make sure your not eating or drinking anything) Sainbury’s tell him he has got to have a letter from the home office as Proof of his Eligibility to Work in the UK. they have given him 48hs to get such a letter. and tell him that emplyment law is getting tougher. (That is a pack of Lies from Sainsbury’s, its not getting that stupid for people in their HOME country!)

Stage 4: David comes home and tells me what’s happened, So I told him get onto the job centre and speak to our adviser, because this is the first time I’ve ever heard of this nonsense and they might be able to help. So he dose, we get to our actual sign on adviser no less, and David explains to him what has happened, and at first he thought he was having a laugh, then David explains it again and that we don’t know where to go to get something we have never had to ask for before. our adviser puts him on hold for a moment to talk to someone in the office that might know about this, Nope even everyone in JCP are perplexed and puzzled, they’ve never heard of it before, or that the employment law was even being changed in such a way. (and they’d be one of the 1st to know!) So he gets David the number for HMRC and tells him its going to be a min of about a week if their going to send any form of anything out to him and tells him sainsbury’s are having a laugh if they think you can get such stuff in 2 days.

Stage 5: David phones HMRC, after trying to find which option this problem fits in. (none) he gets to a lady on the phone, He then explains to her Everything, the first response is a laugh and her even saying “you have got to be having a laugh haven’t you?” David tells her no and tells her again what happend, and that he needs a letter from the home office as Proof of Eligibility to Work in the UK. once she comes to terms with what she’s being told she goes over a check list of things david should have in cases like this, he said yes he has a Nat insurance number and utility bills and she told him at least 4 times “That’s all you need as proof, if you have a Nat insurance number then you can work in the UK”So home office are not going to send a letter because they see no need to do such, David has an NI number, He was born in the UK, His parents are both British so what’s the issues?

Here’s the info of things you’d need:

Proof of Eligibility to Work in the UK

In accordance with the amendment to the Immigration, Asylum, and Nationality Act 2006, effective from 29 February 2008, you are required to provide proof of the Right to Work in the UK.

 

The two lists below detail the documents which provide evidence of this right.

 

List 1

Any one of the documents listed below will provide the necessary evidence of the right to work in the UK. The document provided must be the original.

  • A passport showing that the holder is a British citizen, or has the right of abode in the United Kingdom.
  • A document showing that the holder is a national of a European Economic Area country* or Switzerland. This must be a national passport or national identity card.
  • A residence permit issued by the United Kingdom to a national from the European Economic Area country or Switzerland.
  • A passport or other document issued by the Home Office which has an endorsement stating that the holder has a current right of residence in the United Kingdom as the family member of a national from a European Economic Area country or Switzerland.
  • A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder can stay indefinitely in the United Kingdom, or has no time limit on their stay.
  • A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder can stay in the United Kingdom; and that this endorsement allows the holder to do the type of work the employer is offering if they do not have a work permit.
  • An Application Registration Card issued by the Home Office to an asylum seeker stating that the holder is permitted to take employment.

 

*The following countries are part of the EEA:

Austria; Belgium; Denmark; Finland; France; Germany; Greece; Iceland; Ireland; Italy;

Liechtenstein; Luxembourg; Netherlands; Norway; Portugal; Spain; Sweden; United Kingdom; Cyprus; Czech Republic; Estonia; Hungary; Latvia; Lithuania; Malta; Poland; Slovakia; Slovenia; Bulgaria and Romania.

 

Notes:

  • There is a registration scheme for nationals of Poland; Latvia; Lithuania; the Czech Republic; Slovakia; Slovenia, Hungary and Estonia.
  • Nationals from Bulgaria and Romania require work authorisation documents and are restricted in the jobs they can do.

 

List 2

Two of the documents in the combinations listed below will provide evidence of the right to work in the UK. The documents provided must be the originals.

 

First Combination

  • A document giving a person’s permanent National Insurance number and name. This could be a: P45, P60, National Insurance card, or a letter from a Government agency

 

AND one of the following documents

  • A full birth certificate issued in the United Kingdom, which includes the names of the holder’s parents or
  • A birth certificate issued in the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man or Ireland or
  • A certificate of registration or naturalisation stating that the holder is a British citizen or
  • A letter issued by the Home Office which indicates that the person named in it can stay indefinitely in the United Kingdom or has no time limit on their stay or
  • An Immigration Status Document issued by the Home Office with an endorsement indicating that the person named in it can stay indefinitely in the United Kingdom or has no time limit on their stay or
  • A letter issued by the Home Office which indicates that the person named in it can stay in the United Kingdom; and this allows them to do the type of work that the employer is offering or
  • An Immigration Status Document issued by the Home Office with an endorsement indicating that the person named in it can stay in the United Kingdom; and this allows them to do the type of work that the employer is offering.

 

Second combination

  • A work permit or other approval to take employment that has been issued by Work Permits UK

 

AND one of the following documents

  • A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder is able to stay in the United Kingdom and can take the work permit employment in question or
  • A letter issued by the Home Office confirming that the person named in it is able to stay in the United Kingdom and can take the work permit employment in question.
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5 Comments leave one →
  1. Andraste permalink
    February 22, 2013 3:22 pm

    Even on their website its pretty clear that you dont have to have a passport if you were born in UK – this list is instead of a passport or entry permit:

    http://sainsburys.jobs/information/right-to-work-in-the-uk

    If the above is not available evidence may be provided as long as it is in conjunction with an official document stating the holder’s name and permanent National Insurance number (P45, P60, National Insurance Card).
    Acceptable evidence is:
    • An immigration status document issued by the Home Office or the UKBIA to the holder with an endorsement indicating that the person named is allowed to stay indefinitely or has no time limit on their stay in the UK
    • A full birth certificate issued in the UK, Channel Islands, Isle of Man or Ireland including the name of at least one parent
    • A full adoption certificate issued in the UK, Channel Islands, Isle of Man or Ireland including the name of at least one adoptive parent
    • A certificate of registration or naturalisation as a British citizen
    • A letter issued by the Home Office or the BIA which indicates that the person named is allowed to stay indefinitely in the UK

  2. March 2, 2013 8:20 am

    My family every time say that I am killing my time here at net, except I know I
    am getting knowledge daily by reading thes pleasant content.

  3. March 25, 2013 2:39 am

    Now I am ready to do my breakfast, after having my breakfast coming over again to read more news.

  4. Penelope permalink
    June 24, 2013 9:28 am

    I returned to England in February and have had to go through exactly the same
    bs. I too was born in UK of Brit parents back to the conquest and could not get any sense out of the government,
    Good luck!

  5. November 8, 2013 11:01 pm

    I am going to have fun with this. I am a British Citizen, BUT one of my parents are foreign and I don’t know them! (My parents divorced when I was a baby and I was taken to where I am now then.)

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